Curse

-Old 3FL- · Mar 05, 2009, 07:59 AM // 07:59

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Originally Posted by fenix

Not at all offensive, religious people just get mad when you point out how stupid their beliefs are.

Answered here.

Religion sucks.

DreamRunner · Mar 05, 2009, 10:41 AM // 10:41

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Originally Posted by -Old 3FL-

Answered here.

Religion sucks.

Have you studied religion?

Earth · Mar 05, 2009, 03:16 PM // 15:16

Not another religion thread :\

1 question though: What reason IS there to belief in a god? The only thing I heard people say was "I got raised with this or that religion" which is a pretty stupid idea to belief in something imo.

jiggles · Mar 05, 2009, 05:06 PM // 17:06

God dammit OP why arent there more people like you?

glacialphoenix · Mar 05, 2009, 07:35 PM // 19:35

I'm not offended, but I can see how he might be.

Look you, religion's a pretty touchy topic, and given that you had already played the joke several times over... I'm frankly surprised you didn't run into someone like him earlier. I still think he should have chilled out a little ("asshole" and "sinner" might be somewhat debatable, but he should've stopped short of the fornication), but you asked for it.

In all honesty, you provoked him first. Yes, I know you thought he didn't mind, that he was playing along, but you should've expected someone to react this way eventually. Given the number of times you've played the trick, I'd consider this pretty overdue. He should have picked up on the parody the moment you pulled the Balthazar saves line - that did make me laugh - but at the same time, the fact that you went around doing that is... kinda insensitive.

And I might add - just because people didn't say anything doesn't mean they're not offended. They might have left not because they're creeped out, but because they were offended and didn't want to yell or insult a complete stranger whom they could just /ignore.

Snow Bunny · Mar 05, 2009, 07:49 PM // 19:49

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Originally Posted by Earth

1 question though: What reason IS there to belief in a god? The only thing I heard people say was "I got raised with this or that religion" which is a pretty stupid idea to belief in something imo.

As stupid as the movie was, when I consider religion, I think of Kingdom of Heaven, where the one crusader states that he has no patience for religion, but cares about holiness.

I believe in a god, frankly, because when I think about the chances of the universe - one "big bang" (from what?), that happened to create a universe, that happens to have a solar system with the planet earth, that had an evolutionary process where humans, against tigers, snakes, and every other animal that rapes humanity, survived, is pretty damn remote. Not to mention the fact that we are the only species we've encountered with definitive advanced cognition of our being.

Essentially as remote as the chance of a god creating that big bang with the rest of it. I don't let my religion influence me too much, it's just sort of there.

Earth, I personally find it really stupid how much people need to stamp on religion. If it doesn't affect you in any substantial way, do you feel a need to be aggressive towards it? If so, you're not a very rational person.

Inde · Mar 05, 2009, 07:52 PM // 19:52

It has nothing to do with religion at all... it's a very bored individual who likes to create drama where there is none. They would do the same in a guild, on a forum, in game or anywhere else. Then they are surprised when someone takes offense when it was intended in the first place, otherwise, why do it? There's a fine line between a prank and just needing to get a hobby.

Tyla · Mar 05, 2009, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Earth, I personally find it really stupid how much people need to stamp on religion. If it doesn't affect you in any substantial way, do you feel a need to be aggressive towards it? If so, you're not a very rational person.

Because all of the wars that have occurred in the name of religions, people assume that the religion as a whole is pretty off, when its mainly madmen who can't accept another view and decide to get rid of anything different. I have nothing against religion, but I will discuss against its validity and its points of view in certain respects, but at the same time it's not like there are flaws in theories too, is it? (though, the "can't make something out of nothing" is the same with God too, but it's hard to even imagine how the universe was created)

Abedeus · Mar 05, 2009, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by Earth

Not another religion thread :\

1 question though: What reason IS there to belief in a god? The only thing I heard people say was "I got raised with this or that religion" which is a pretty stupid idea to belief in something imo.

Read A. Einstein's quote I posted a page ago.

Scientists without faith are lame.

Religion nuts ignoring science are blind.

Also - why can't we all just agree to this: God created the universe and the process of evolution. Then left us and only sometimes burns our feelers with a magnifying glass.

I Is Special · Mar 05, 2009, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Also - why can't we all just agree to this: God created the universe and the process of evolution. Then left us and only sometimes burns our feelers with a magnifying glass.

...

Nothx.

Symeon · Mar 05, 2009, 08:53 PM // 20:53

Too many atheists waste a lot of time trying to argue with religion, when the best strategy for disposing of it - or at least reducing its influence to a minimal level - would be to simply ignore it. Religions are archaic systems that have caused large amounts of suffering and whose supposed 'leaders' have frequently been corrupt. The vast majority of people who believe do so because of their upbringing, although over the last century this factor has eroded significantly, which I like to think is partly due to the advancement and spread of scientific knowledge. One of the main reasons I have a low opinion of religion is the reluctance of its leaders to accept scientific theory, which makes me think they are just trying to preserve the system for their own gain. And, unfortunately, most believers will continue to follow them with the herd mentality that has allowed religion to dominate for so long.

MMSDome · Mar 05, 2009, 09:11 PM // 21:11

I swear atheists get trolled easier by people who believe in God than the other way around. It's so funny.

Kind of like what snow said I believe in Voltaire's theory. I think the universe is in a way like a clock that God just started and let evolution take its course there.

How is any of this religious discussion having to do with the original idea of the thread? I do not find it offensive.

Fenix stop making people angry.

Earth · Mar 05, 2009, 09:13 PM // 21:13

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

I believe in a god, frankly, because when I think about the chances of the universe - one "big bang" (from what?), that happened to create a universe, that happens to have a solar system with the planet earth, that had an evolutionary process where humans, against tigers, snakes, and every other animal that rapes humanity, survived, is pretty damn remote. Not to mention the fact that we are the only species we've encountered with definitive advanced cognition of our being.

I'm actually still trying to discover what to believe and what not to believe. It all sounds very weird to me.

What I'm interested in though, is did you get raised up with religion, or did you decide for yourself?

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Earth, I personally find it really stupid how much people need to stamp on religion. If it doesn't affect you in any substantial way, do you feel a need to be aggressive towards it? If so, you're not a very rational person.

I don't think I've ever stamped on religion, in fact I have a few friends with different religious backgrounds.

I honestly couldn't give an ass about what you believe, as long as you don't shove it at my nose. There is this guy over here that's sending flyers to about the entire country, stating why we should believe in god, and that we'll burn in hell if we don't or something like that. THAT'S what I can't stand.
But you can't really blame the religion for that. It's just how you interpret the Bible or whatever holy book you read.

Jenn · Mar 05, 2009, 09:35 PM // 21:35

This thread is so full of freakin' win.

I love you guys.

Not at all offensive. But I have a question - would you fornicate with me, you and Balthazar? :O!

P.S. Good post...

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Originally Posted by Symeon

Too many atheists waste a lot of time trying to argue with religion, when the best strategy for disposing of it - or at least reducing its influence to a minimal level - would be to simply ignore it. Religions are archaic systems that have caused large amounts of suffering and whose supposed 'leaders' have frequently been corrupt. The vast majority of people who believe do so because of their upbringing, although over the last century this factor has eroded significantly, which I like to think is partly due to the advancement and spread of scientific knowledge. One of the main reasons I have a low opinion of religion is the reluctance of its leaders to accept scientific theory, which makes me think they are just trying to preserve the system for their own gain. And, unfortunately, most believers will continue to follow them with the herd mentality that has allowed religion to dominate for so long.

Winterclaw · Mar 05, 2009, 09:39 PM // 21:39

Earth, even if you get raised with a religion, you still have to decide for yourself whether or not you believe it or if you believe it in the same way your parents do.

TBH, religion itself is inescapable because even if you decide to toss aside the sacred ones, you'll still end up finding yourself drawn into a secular one. I mean take the obama craze before election. There were a lot of people on the left who got into a religious fervor over him. Some vague concepts such as hope and change were all they needed.

I mean even science is a religion of sorts. You've got your priests in their robes (scientists in lab coats). You've got your prophets (Newton and Einstein). You've got your orthodxy beliefs where people bandwangon on the current leaders and non-believers are punished (something sociologists call a cascade). You've got your different sects (for or against manmade global warming). You've got your doomsday nutjobs (algore).

Funny thing about it, despite having all that, the first person to aknowledge that metorites existed ended up becoming a pope because at the time, anyone who thought a rock could fall out of the sky would have been considered a quack by the scientific establishment.

Earth · Mar 05, 2009, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Earth, even if you get raised with a religion, you still have to decide for yourself whether or not you believe it or if you believe it in the same way your parents do.

I mean... Not everyone does this. I've seen a telly program here where someone read the Koran (or whatever it's called in English), and he didn't understand anything in it, yet still believed it. You know what I mean?

MMSDome · Mar 05, 2009, 10:58 PM // 22:58

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Originally Posted by Earth

I mean... Not everyone does this. I've seen a telly program here where someone read the Koran (or whatever it's called in English), and he didn't understand anything in it, yet still believed it. You know what I mean?

So because one person is a blind follower you automatically assume all religious people are?

That is high and mighty of you!

Winterclaw · Mar 05, 2009, 11:09 PM // 23:09

Earth, every religion and even atheism has blind followers. Those people probably aren't the best ones to judge a faith by.

Yang Whirlwind · Mar 06, 2009, 12:20 AM // 00:20

I really like Rufus' view on the whole religion thing.
There is nothing wrong with having a good idea; being kind, forgiving, etc.
The problem starts when you build a belief structure on top of it; you have to pray this many times, you can't eat this, etc.
Of course my friend who is a catholic did not think Dogma was funny,- wonder why?

DreamRunner · Mar 06, 2009, 02:26 AM // 02:26

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Originally Posted by Symeon

Too many atheists waste a lot of time trying to argue with religion, when the best strategy for disposing of it - or at least reducing its influence to a minimal level - would be to simply ignore it. Religions are archaic systems that have caused large amounts of suffering and whose supposed 'leaders' have frequently been corrupt. The vast majority of people who believe do so because of their upbringing, although over the last century this factor has eroded significantly, which I like to think is partly due to the advancement and spread of scientific knowledge. One of the main reasons I have a low opinion of religion is the reluctance of its leaders to accept scientific theory, which makes me think they are just trying to preserve the system for their own gain. And, unfortunately, most believers will continue to follow them with the herd mentality that has allowed religion to dominate for so long.

Group mentality isn't just a part of religion. Just look at the pvp community here on GWGuru who have people that follow the top guilds as what they say is best or right. I know a lot of hardcore atheists still want to prove that science is the best for everything and have blind followers of science themselves.

But I like what you said about religion causing large amount of suffering because it seems that people have this idea that religion is the only cause of wars, destruction and huge amount of pain. But I just look at the 20th century and see have much of a part religion has played in and with WW1 and WW2, religion is a part of something much larger. Its simplistic and short-sighted to only perceive causes of suffering and pain to religion because the problem its much more complex than that. True, religion has been used by some as a pretext for war. But this does not invalidate all religion, just as when football players brawl it does not invalidate the game of football